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Hello there my dear workshoppers.

I have problems with my damperpad bar, and I've noticed there are some real pros here when it comes to the manufacturing and handy-work side of things, so I'll give this a shot.

I bought a M55G 2 years ago and it seems it never got here in mint condition as they say. I've noticed minor problems with the dampening pad, but only now that I'm trying to transcribe and play Senor Mouse (Gary Burton & Chick Corea) I've really run into problems. There's no way I can play fast, i.e. often only hitting the outside of the bars without enourmous frame-sounds and ringing.
I know there's another thread about ringing, but wasn't really sure what was meant there and in my case it's clearly not a general issue.

The first problems I had were the lowest bars not being dampened as much or as quick as other bars. That was due simply to the one or two of the pins that hold up the thread for the bars not being quite "in". That just needed some light hammering and solved the ringing of two bars or so.

The real problem is the dampening bar.

  • playing on the ends of the bars (i.e. right over the dampening pad) makes very loud thumping sounds that go right throught the frame into the ground... I live in a shared flat with other appartments underneath. That just cannot be done! Plus it sounds terrible.
  • In order to minimize the thumping sounds when playing in the middle or upper range, I need to push down the pedal somewhat so it's only lightly touching. But because my dampening bar seems to be bent, or just not horizontal, at this point the lower register is not dampened anymore (from pressing down the pedal slightly) and everything starts to ring. I.e. the combination of one part of the vibraphone sending strong thumps through the entire frame with another part not even being dampened makes for ringing in the lower octave or so.

I grew up taking lessons from classical percussionists who basically were all "make clear high motions when hitting the vibes" and "play in the middle of the bars whenever possible", and I used to not be very interested in really fast playing, so I guess I haven't ever really gotten sensitive about this dampening issue. But when you hit the ends of the bars alot (right above the dampening pad) - man. New instrument, please!

I know about the vanderplas dampening pads seemingly being a great help. And I can see why they would be. And I'm seriously considering that, since it's affordable. But I'd like to get the dampening pad correctly adjusted first and see what it's like then.
I've been watching some vids of Gary Burton play, and you often get this nice angle from the side where you can very nicely see how his bars all are lifted exactly the same amount at the same time when he uses his pedal. I guess that's kind of a prerequisite to advances phrasing, huh?

Anyhow. I don't really understand the mechanics of the damper pad and bar. Where do I go about changing the angle of the pad, so the bar is perfectly alined with (all or most of) the bars?

I'd really appreciate some help here.

Thanks!
John

PS I must mention though, of course having low notes sustain longer (because of non-horizontal dampening-bar) can be of use to. makes it easier to keep a "bass note" or chord while playing other stuff over it. But also then you become much more sloppy about dampening because you can use the pedal more! So probably not a good idea to keep it this way.

Comments

vibraman Fri, 11/12/2010 - 01:02

i really would recommend nico´s gel damper. i also have a m55 and it solved my dampening problems at 95%. sometimes the dampening is not 100% equal on the highest and lowest bars but this you can only hear if you put up the pedal really really slow. if you want get rid of the stupid musser felt just get nico´s it´s worth every penny!

i mean i love the musser bars and the instrument itself but i can´t understand why they make such stupid solutions on the frame. e.g. the wheels. they are not screwed into the frame and the screw which attaches them to the small ring above the wheel is no normal screw you can tighten. at least i can´t cause i don´t got any tool for this kind of bolt. so the whole thing starts shaking.i will try to make a video of it today to make it more clear...if anyone got tips to fix that i would be helpful. i bet nico can do something on this...

tarik

David Friedman Fri, 11/12/2010 - 03:01

John,

If the instrument didn't arrive in mint condition, as you say, why didn't you send it back or at least complain to the dealer where you bought it?

djohn Fri, 11/12/2010 - 05:26

In reply to by David Friedman

I sort of expected this answer :-)

I'm afraid I just didn't know enough about the vibes to be sure if this was a problem or not. I don't think I really noticed the dampening problem for a long time.

But even if I had, I might not have gotten much done at the time. The shipment of the vibes coincided with a total burn-out two years ago on my side. I didn't get anything at all done for months. I mean nothing.

I'm thinking it can't be too difficult to fix this if I understand what the parameters are and I'd like to learn more about how to adjust things on the vibes anyway... Good way to learn.

tpvibes Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:30

I ordered a new M55 a couple of years ago, and it was somewhat damaged in shipment. I called the company I bought it from (Steve Weiss) and they immediately shipped another one, but while I was waiting I set up the damaged one. A forklift blade had punched through the side of the packaging and dug a hole in the left side end block, causing some significant cosmetic damage with probably some long term strength issues, but it really seemed like it should be completely playable.

When I set it up though, there were problems with the damper. The shock of the impact had knocked it loose from the mountings at the high end, and I didn't quite get it back correctly at first. If I recall correctly, there's a kind of snap-on connection of the bar to the frame. I thought that I had put it on correctly, but dampening was uneven and the bar moved around a lot. Then I discovered a nylon insulating piece in the bottom of the packaging. Once that was inserted into the mount connection, the damper worked properly.

So I'd suggest checking the damper mounting carefully, to be sure that it's connected correctly and that all of the pieces are there.

Another thing I've heard people complain about (but not actually seen myself) is a slight bow in the damper bar. I think that tends to be more common than the key posts being different heights (although that could be a problem too).

As far as impact transference when you're playing on the edge of the bars, that bothered me too. I had been playing an M75 before, and didn't really have any problems with impact transference, but on the M55 I found it to be quite bothersome. I eventually got one of Nico's gel pads, and that was a significant improvement.

Tom P.

djohn Fri, 11/12/2010 - 11:31

In reply to by tpvibes

Thanks Tom for your answer.

I actually think I remember there was something wrong with the mounting mechanism, the two little arms that hook in. The Nylon insulating pieces are both there.

I just noticed something else. The F# to D# bars tends to dampen sooner than the others (F - F). And this is especially true for the upper notes. So I have new guess: The little arm that connects the dampening bar to the frame, on the right side (higher notes) is bent so the dampening bar is twisted and the pad comes up at an angle instead of horizontal and that would explain why the D# bar gets dampened much sooner than e.g. the top F-bar.

I'm going to try to bend this a little and see what effect this has.

B.t.w. I also got mine at Steve Weiss music on a visit to the US and had him ship it to Europe. I'm not eager to ship around this stuff. And it's too late after 2 years to ask for replacements because of shipment damage ;-) missed that opportunity long time ago. So I'm hoping to figure out how to fix the problem myself.

thanks again. I think I'm on to something.
John

PS I also need to learn the technical lingo. like "key posts". it's difficult to describe this stuff...

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