Taking advantage of the resources on Vibesworkshop.com

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One of the things I find most inspiring about this site is the generosity with which everybody shares their knowledge, experience, ideas, opinions, and passion for this instrument we all love so much. Beyond the pure joy of hearing and seeing great performances from the "Pro's" and non-professionals alike, there is a real opportunity here to learn. You would normally have to pay a fortune for the lessons that are available to the members and subscribers of Vibesworkshop.com

So, here comes my pitch. I personally would love to see more people participate more actively in the lessons that are offered here. No one is ever put under pressure to exhibit a certain level of playing or to compete with others. I think we would all agree that there's a great deal of support coming from everyone. Of the 4 or 5 last lessons I posted the only "regular" participants have been Dimitris and Stefan. They have the great advantage, of course, of measurably improving after each new post they make. Some times I feel Dimitris and I have been doing private lessons over the past months. It's of course extremely gratifying to me to see what incredible progress he's made.

In one of his last posts he made the comment that he couldn't understand why more people aren't practicing these concepts. Well,maybe they are secretly. There's so much more to be gained from posting, getting comments, posting again, getting comments and posting again.

I don't want to stand on a soap box. I just thought I'd put this out for discussion, so let's hear what you all think.

David




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David, I'd love to participate more on all the lessons, but I have to make choices because of limited practise time.
Another thing is there's so much information available on the site, it's often very hard to know what exercise to choose, the problem being : what is better for me, considering my actual level, that one or the other one ? Know what I mean ?
But anyway, I'm 100% on posting the more I can, this is a big chance we have that oportunity.
For me the key word is determination.

family, jobs etc.

i agree a little with david but i do realize that guys are busy with their jobs, raising families or even gigging. and i know there are a lot of players who are subscribers. i do wish they'd be more involved.

if every subscriber posted once every month, or even every other month, we'd be listening to a lot more players!! and that would be a good thing! for us and for the subscriber!

hey david,

same here.i didn´t have enough time to participate on your solo lessons although i watched them all and practiced some of them. sometimes we have to make choices what to do with our time but be sure every post you make will be great for every player to see.

tarik

Same here, David. I watch all of your videos, which are great, but unfortunately, as a part-time hobbiest, don't have time to work on them. I definitely appreciate all that you do here. I am sure something rubs off on me in one way or another.

Thanks,
Barry

but to use barry as an example. you always post something. every once in a while.

barry posted dreamsville. i loved it and learned the tune and now practice it every day. if he wouldn't have posted it i wouldn't have thought of it.

i printed out behn's lessons a couple days ago and am playing through a couple of them.

dimitri posts stuff and it just gets me going.

same when vibraman posts because i see his progress. when marie posts i'm happy because she loves this instrument as much as i do. but in a whole other way. i have to pimp my instrument out to make money, she just loves hers. mine is sort of a prostitute!

first of all i can't believe how far this site has come, so in some ways that's enough. but i also see where it can go.

just knowing what carolyn is practicing in a blog will make me a better vibe player. just hearing a student tackle a friedman etude makes me a better teacher, expecially when friedman replies.

i know there are a bunch of teachers on this site, using this site in their teaching. i wouldn't believe them if they said they weren't because then i'd think they were stupid! well those teachers should post back on the site, get their students to join the site and then they post. etc.

believe me if all you guys started posting right now, we'd have problems because the site is almost at full capacity on our virtual server. we are working through some serious behind the scenes problems. that means more money. by the way those of you who are thinking of the money part of this site, unfortuntately i make very very little money. it goes into paying for all lessons by others than me and programming. WITHOUT the money we'd have two vibenet's right now. and we don't need a second thevibe.net (check it out if you haven't, it's cool).

so this is a very rare community. it doesn't happen. i know we also have a trumpet site and a drum site. they are not at all like VW. not even close by light years!

so. i guess the point is, do what you can. take and give back in a way that fits in with your lives and also makes the vibe world better. that way this instrument continues to grow.

I think it's great that we're having this discussion.

Hello David,

I read your last reply on the 'closing solo playing lesson', so your post didn't come as a surprise to me.

My time is also limited (work, kids, other household related things) I try to play daily between 30 min-1hour.

I try to follow lessons as consistent as possible because the help, support,guidance, tips... are a not to underestimate value to me. Sometimes it could mean posting daily, sometimes working a period and then posting a result. I do 1 lesson at a time, else I'm afraid I'd be trying to much at the same time, instead of lesser things, but more focused. Also, knowing that apart from the lessons, I do my warm up, study something from a book, try some impro for fun.....

I guess it will be different for everyone.

Thanks already for all your help, and I hope to be able to have some wonderful lessons from you yet to come.

Greetings,
Stefan

Looking forward to future posts Stefan!

Similar to what everyone is saying, sometimes for me unfortunately vibesworkshop becomes something to surf as I eat breakfast, or to check when I have five minutes before bed, or when I'm supposed to be answering emails at work (don't tell my boss!). Sure, I practice every day, but some weeks I have so much to work on outside of vibesworkshop (music-related or otherwise...) that I can't devote much time to the lessons. For instance, this month I got back into my old college's jazz ensemble, but they'd already been working on the music since August, so most of my practice time has been spent running through charts to catch up.
I think when I don't have time to post, I'm absorbing material just by watching the lessons (even if I'm watching them during work hours...). I agree with David that posting and getting feedback is the most valuable way to learn, but watching a lesson first thing in the morning rather than staring into space when I eat my breakfast has been helpful too. I think I could be more disciplined about following the lessons, but I also think anything is better than nothing. There just need to be more hours in a day to devote to the vibraphone...

PS: I am starting a new resolution to post at least one audio at the end of each month, so hopefully that'll help too!

Great!

I think most reasons have been posted here under...

Now I know subscribers who never post... but who practice "secretly" as you said. If this is not the best way to improve, it's one way... well their way.

Maybe what would help everyone is when we watch/listen to a lesson and find it useful, simply write a short note to say it. Even if not posting our work later. I know some guys already do it, and it always please me to read them.

Now I also know guys who sometimes have a question on one specific subject, and who search on the site, having the reflexe to use the V-Books. Those books still need huge improvement to be better organised but we're working on it, and they can yet be used.

So... we have two main ways to "take advantage of the resources of the site": follow the current lessons and/or use the existing resources, no matter how old they are.

But one thing is positive, encouraging, useful and very little time consuming: speak it out! :o)

First of all there are so many great stuff and players that I am SO happy to be a member of this great community. OFcorse I would like to hear more and more players post so that I can get inspired and criticised by them and become better and better. I know that when someone have lots of gigs or family or whatever, it's very difficult to practise BUT I strongly believe that all vibe player could post at least once a month something, even if that is a practise tape (Just an idea I had). Also I know that sometime some posts don;t get comments by other players and that sucks but at the same time it's ok. IF a post has 0 answers next time will have more.

Yes Mr Friedman, I am very happy that you are on the site and teach us. I feel also like taking private lessons with you and the fact that you been able to follow my playing and make me a better musician (like I was on your college and studying together) it's one of the greatest gift of my life and thank you for that and for your patience to make us better.

I think at this point everybody who works at this site and especially TONY deserve a big THANK YOU!

Take 3 ya all!!!!!!

Dimitris

well one thing is true. if you put the time in you can learn to play this instrument. that doesn't change because of this and that. either you find, or make the time or you don't. however, that doesn't mean you post on this site. maybe you're making the time in other ways. that's cool as well.

the question is how good do you want to play the instrument and are you setting aside the appropriate time to do it? and then how are you doing it? playing in groups? studying and playing, etc.

but that's different for each person. i bet some players here on the site just want to play around and learn a few things, check the pros out and have a little fun. that's good do. so i think david's point should just get us thinking and talking about what we want. and make a plan. and if VW is in the plan and you think you should post, then post.

i'm glad not everyone wants to become a professional vibe player! there are not enough gigs!

Every word rings true from the busy schedule and family obligations to the pure love we all have for this amazing instrument. We all know the ecstasy of playing something that really worked for where you are at that exact moment in time and evolution, and deciding to share it with VW community -- to bare one's soul like all artists (at any stage of development) must do. These wonderful videos from the beginning of time are a history lesson as we see and hear how we evolve, not for the purpose of comparison to others or even to thyself, but to share and share alike without ego and fear. Comparison, after all, is the thief of joy!

well said! and your enthusiasm and videos are definitely an inspiration!!!

i reread this!

i always think it's very simple. the great players put their stuff out there. they do gigs, and nowadays with the internet they post. they believe in excellence and they don't have excuses.

it's important to understand what i'm saying here. it's not judgmental at all. just facts. great players have less excuses than players who are not as great. i think that's why we have these categories. amateurs are players who love the instrument maybe as much as the rest of us, but simply can not put the time in that is needed. that's fine, i love amateurs because of their love for the instrument. i love talking with them and even teaching them. their problem is that there are other things above practicing. sometimes like family, children, money. all very impportant things which is why this is NOT judgmental.

then there are pros who won't get to a high level because of the things that come before the instrument. i have a buddy who is an outdoors guy. he loves it! he's a decent musician, but pretty good at best. he's not going to put in the time to be great. i have another buddy who has balanced it all and is a great musician. so who can say.

what i'm saying is great students come in with the lessons completed. the average ones come in with excuses. makes sense right? not a surprise to anyone???

david's thoughts here are to me saying take a step forward. make time (make time) to put stuff out on this site. maybe you can't go the whole way and leave the family, get a cheap apartment and practice 8 hours a day, however you can say you'll post a tune a month on the site. something like that :-)

OK - I'll try to be brave and upload a sample of my playing. Here's a take of All Blues I did with a bass player last year...

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haha you said be brave!!! that sounds good. you should be proud not only brave!

it's really simple if you want to be a good player you have to be active. one way is to get gigs. that's the best way! next and pretty close to it, is to use the internet. post!!! and what better place to post then here with lots of other vibe players listening! get a tip maybe from a pro. whatever.

i say it over and over. you become great by playing and putting your stuff out there. AT ANY LEVEL. get in a band and play. all beginners, that's fine. intermediate, great. just do it. i'm glad you did it!