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Marie-Noëlle Wed, 08/31/2011 - 10:34

What do I see?! This poor lesson with no comment, no post? C'mon guys that head is a piece of cake!! ;-)

In fact, I was tired of trying to understand it (ofc I don't know the tune), so I went on practicing my blues 4 mallet chords (far enough for me!): I feel totally rusty and lost since I'm back from holidays!

After a few mn on metronome I thought: why not trying to play with some real band? But among the versions in F, all where too fast. I came across this Bill Evans' and after that nuts head I could mananage to hear the changes on the choruses. In the end I had some fun jam with Bill and friends. How? With those monsters by my side... but also letting Tony's inspiration get to me: how many times did I hear him comp simple and soft?

Sorry for not being in the assignment of the lesson, for the chords not well in beat (that Bass solo is a bit tough to follow), for the Bb instead of C (grr!!) and all the rest you might notice: I had fun and could hear myself finally somehow back to the bars... and I can share it with you guys!! Ain't that cool and a great chance for me?!

- M

PS: sorry my file keeps loading for ever. I sent it to Tony hoping he can attach it for me... Cross fingers...

vibraman Wed, 08/31/2011 - 10:52

In reply to by Marie-Noëlle

i upload the file for marie. good job with the guys.that´s pretty fast. next thing would be don´t try to comp every chord and try some inversions :)

tonymiceli Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:27

In reply to by vibraman

i'm having problems with this file.

one tip. i've mentioned this before and will keep bringing it up.

no periods, commas, in the filenames. there is always ONE period in the filename. everybody should know where that is. that separates the filename and the file type. MYSONG.MP3
MY-SONG.MP3 MY_SONG.MP3 mySong.mp3

just use these characters:

letters, numbers and _ - nothing else.

@marie, i'll try and get the file.

tonymiceli Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:32

In reply to by vibraman

you got it!

you're very interesting because you are coming to this in a much different way than most of us! i like watching what you learn and how you do it!

i know tarik is a big help. go tarik!

I'm totally late for the actual TOTM, but I don't want to bypass it, it's so important.
Then here what I had time to work on yesterday and today, tiny things but better than nothing, hoping my vibe training shedule will improve next days...

Babu Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:29

In reply to by tonymiceli

Tony, I'm checking the head with real book from where I learned it, and I don't hear mistake ????? Or maybe there's another way to play it I'm not aware of ????

Thanks for the two others !

Randy_Sutin Thu, 09/08/2011 - 15:25

In reply to by Babu

there is a small error in phrase spanning bars 3 and 4... Check out Monk's recording "Five by Five"... it's on there. I think Monk played it in Bb instead of F like Miles and everyone else, but you will here the difference between that and what you played. It's just a small difference, but it affects the way the head lays on the beat.

Besides, everyone should have Five by Five... it's a classic. Thad Jones is AWESOME on it.

Babu Thu, 09/15/2011 - 14:59

In reply to by Randy_Sutin

Thanks to take the time to answer me ! I just replied to Tony's reply. Then I have to confess I don't have a straight no chaser recording at home anymore (I was stolen years ago - about 50 recordings - and I never replaced them). I just learned on vibes by real book, which fit with what I was remembering about... Then I suppose that when I learned on guitar many years ago that was with this version too...
But strangely, I never played very often this tune, don't know why. It almost never was called on jams I was playing in...
Anyway I'll buy Monk's CD and have a refresh about his music !

Babu Fri, 09/09/2011 - 03:32

In reply to by tonymiceli

Thanks VERY much to take the time to do a recording for me.
Now I understand what happened : your version is lightly different from the real book where I learned the tune from. They add a B flat in bar 4 and a G sharp in bar 10. That doesn't change the general rythm, since I play two 8th notes when you play one 4th note.
I played it on guitar years ago, and I took the real book to have a refresh, to be sure of the rythm. Now I just checked with friends of mine and it appears that the two ways of playing co-exist ! A pianist just made me hear by phone a CD version with the B flat and the G sharp !
Since I have in mind that version I think I'll stick to her for some time, because I just want to learn many heads to increase my blues vocabulary.
Anyway, that was the oportunity to discover there's two ways to play this tune, that I wasn't aware of.
It happens too with some Parker's tunes, with endeless polemics with how to play some passages... (I remember a full night about bar 24 of Yarbird suite), and one of Wes Montgomery's specialities was to play standards with slightly different rythms - and harmony too - see the head of Whisper Not...
But, sure, I'll learn your version too ! :o)))

tonymiceli Fri, 09/09/2011 - 10:09

In reply to by Babu

use the real book as a reference but always back it up with research. that is listen to recordings. the truth lies there. do you have a recording of anyone playing it like you do? has anyone here heard of the head played like babu played it? i haven't, but maybe i missed something??

Babu Fri, 09/09/2011 - 10:22

In reply to by tonymiceli

I just have the oportunity to listen to some Monk' versions : there are some variations...
Mainly, he NEVER plays the Bb in bar 3 (thanks realbook transcriptor...grrr), but plays often the G sharp in bar 10. What happens too on versions with horns is that he plays this G sharp on the first intro head, and when the horns come in the second head they don't play this damned G sharp ! I was totally taken off-guard. *+%!!"# !!!

tonymiceli Fri, 09/09/2011 - 12:09

In reply to by Babu

and now you are really studying the tune. checking out differences, etc. this is how you learn and remember tunes!

Babu Fri, 09/09/2011 - 12:17

In reply to by tonymiceli

For sure I'll remember !!! :o))

Babu Fri, 09/09/2011 - 12:08

In reply to by tonymiceli

To end with that "mess", here the head without the Bb and G sharp, + comping. Hope this time it works ! :o)(
And stick drop in F !

Babu Fri, 09/09/2011 - 05:40

Here 3 other heads : Blue Monk with a second voice, SKJ, and Mingus's Nostalgia in Times square
I hope this time there'll be no fuss.... ;o)

Marie-Noëlle Fri, 09/09/2011 - 06:28

In reply to by Babu

Watch out guys: Babu's on his blues way!! ;-)
Very cool Babu... and very nice ending... AND beautiful stick drop!!
Keep it up! - M

Babu Fri, 09/09/2011 - 07:38

In reply to by Marie-Noëlle

Yes, since blues melodies are easy to learn, I think it's a good way to learn blues vocabulary.
Bb and C comping are on the way, but heads came first in my hands...
Thanks for the kind comments ! Glad to know I've made some progresses in stickdropping ;o)

Babu Thu, 09/15/2011 - 11:28

Here the head of Segue in C, a blues composed by Frank Wess for Count Basie. What I like in this tune it's a "light" blues melody, when a lot of others are "heavy blues".
I've played with chords comping into the head, which is the first time for me (very little thing, I know, but some kind of a "victory" for me...)

MN, i just understood that Tarik had uploaded YOUR comping on St N Chaser. Very nice job, especially on bass solo without the help from the rest of the band !

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