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See if you can guess the soloist, band, year, tune, etc.

This bootleg recording ended up in my mailbox and knocked me out!

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Joe Locke Sun, 09/06/2009 - 14:14

Its Bird, but not sure of the band (shame on me!) Sounds like Dizzy's big band, but I think Bird and Dizzy's friendship was over by the time Dizzy put his big band together.
Billy Eckstine's ?
Amazing Bird !!!

mikepinto Tue, 09/08/2009 - 02:12

In reply to by Joe Locke

yea man, thanks for posting! sick track! Its so interesting now that music is being digitized and spread around how long these recordings may be around for....imagine if we had recordings of mozart or an ancient egyption dance? People of the future are going to find these recordings and be in utter amazement to hear history!


tonymiceli Sun, 09/06/2009 - 14:28

yeah i would have known it was bird. but i don't know who the band is.

it's a GREAT solo though. i always think that if there is such thing as reincarnation that bird is obviously a reincarnation of bach. the magic in the lines and how they move and the phrasing.

thanks dana!

Tony Miceli
s k y p e: tjazzvibe
i c h a t: tonymiceli

vibeman27 Sun, 09/06/2009 - 16:00

Oh Yeah, it is Bird, no doubt, early Bird at that. Dizzy's band, no doubt. Most likely a Dizzy tune, but can't put a name on it. Bird not quite in full development yet but you can hear beginnings of his signature sounds. Say between 1946 and 1950.

I'm really curious where you dug this up.


Joe Locke Sun, 09/06/2009 - 16:29

In reply to by vibeman27

Bruce - it sure sounds like Dizzy's band, huh? What I said in my post must be wrong. Did Dizzy have the big band going in 1946 - 47 ?

Joe Locke Sun, 09/06/2009 - 16:34

In reply to by Joe Locke

from allaboutjazz ...


Dizzy Gillespie forms a big band, against all odds, at a time when most big bands are going broke.

So, it IS Bird w/ the Dizzy Gillespie Big Band. Do I win the dinette set by Broyhill? .... or the wicker bathtub from Hicker & Dicker of Beverly Hills?

This track is SO burning!!!

vibeman27 Sun, 09/06/2009 - 19:35

In reply to by Joe Locke

Well, obviously it is Bird. But he struggles at times in his solo. Can hear very high trumpet in ensemble parts (most likely Dizzy himself) playing Dizzy licks. The vocal scatting is definitely Dizzy oriented; ooh bla dee, ooh shoop, owh owh type stuff; definitely Dizzy arrangement. Parts of the band playing at times sounds like a swing band, not pure bebop or big band jazz arrangement that came in 50's. But then again, only

DANA KNOWS!! Comon Dana, what's the answer??

BruceW :-)

Of course it helped that I was living at that time and listening to lots of the music everywhere in the neighborhood juke boxes etc., etc. 5 cents a pop. Those were the days ha ha.

John Keene Sun, 09/06/2009 - 21:02

In reply to by vibeman27

I'm not convinced it's Bird. Could be a Bird imitator; I think the phrasing is off plus a little too stiff, although Bird could have been having a bad day (we're all entitled to one on occasion). I think the other vocalist is Jon Hendricks singing with Dizzy, so I'll go on record as saying that the year is 1947 or '48 and it's the Dizzy Gillespie Big Bop Band with Hendricks and an alto player trying to sound like Bird.

Joe Locke Mon, 09/07/2009 - 02:03

In reply to by John Keene

.... please point out to me where the phrasing is off and a little too stiff? I just can't hear it.

This is quite obviously Charlie Parker and not an imitator. Not even Sonny Stitt sounded as close to Bird as this.

Bad day? I WISH I could have bad days like that. The creativity, virtuosity and sense of abandon on this take is what makes me continue to love and appreciate his music. 50, 60, 200
years later ... and it still sounds fresh. Amazing.

John Keene Mon, 09/07/2009 - 09:52

In reply to by Joe Locke

Joe, you're absolutely right. I don't know what I was thinking other than I should have listened again before posting. I was probably concentrating more on identifying the band than the soloist and trying to put the historical time frame together. I would never have guessed Woody Herman in 100 years.

Sorry 'bout that.

Joe Locke Mon, 09/07/2009 - 12:28

In reply to by John Keene


I would never have guessed it was Woody Herman's band either. Dana got us both!
You know what really floors me about this track is how deep it is intellectually AND how totally entertained the audience is. Just listen to how they are reacting, encouraging Bird and the band. Their enthusiasm is palpable, making them active participants in the process. Just as it did to them all those years ago, this music hits me in a visceral way - makes me wanna holler .... throw up both my hands!!!


vibeman27 Mon, 09/07/2009 - 12:58

In reply to by Joe Locke

I just don't believe it is Woody Herman's band. Man they were good but this just sounds like Dizzy's band. Maybe it is a Dizzy arrangement?? I'm confused about those high trumpets?? Did Woody have someone capable of that?? I have one avenue to check.

Well we all agree it is Bird.
So Joe, I guess I don't get the wicker bathtub.

Dana, who sent you the email? Can't you get more info from them? Surely the email has a return email address. Send a reply asking for clarification.


DanaSud Mon, 09/07/2009 - 13:11

In reply to by vibeman27

Woody Herman And His Orchestra
Roy Caton, Don Fagerquist, Johnny Macombe, Doug Mettome (tp) Jerry Dorn, Urbie Green, Fred Lewis (tb) Charlie Parker (as) Woody Herman (as, cl, cond) Dick Hafer, Bill Perkins, Kenny Pinson (ts) Sam Staff (bars) Dave McKenna (p) Lawrence "Red" Wooten (b) Sonny Igoe (d)
Municipal Arena, Kansas City, July 22, 1951
You Go To My Head Alamac QSR 2442
Leo The Lion, I -
Cuban Holiday -
The Nearness Of You -
Lemon Drop -
The Goof And I -
Laura -
Four Brothers -
Leo The Lion, II -
* Charlie Parker - Bird With The Herd 1951 (Alamac QSR 2442)

Recorded in Kansas City, Kansas on July 22, 1951. Originally released on Almanac (2442). Includes liner notes by Mort Fega.
Digtally remastered by Duff Tatian (FDS Labs, Los Angeles, California).
Given the number of live recordings (many of somewhat dubious quality) that have appeared after alto saxophonist Charlie Parker's death in 1955, it sometimes seems as if someone were standing by with a microphone and recorder every time Parker unpacked his instrument. This nine-song set, recorded July 22, 1951, in Parker's hometown of Kansas City, is a glorious exception to the endless stream of lo-fi throwaways. Playing with unusual fire and clarity for such a late stage in his career--the liner notes suggest that Parker was sober and undrugged because he was staying with his mother--Parker meshes beautifully with Herman's "Third Herd" lineup, even on the unusual Latin rhythms of "Cuban Holiday." Since this was Herman's most bop-oriented band, Parker's tricky, cerebral solos have a nearly abstract quality, especially on the standards "The Nearness of You" and "Laura." Long a legendary bootleg, BIRD WITH THE HERD is classic Parker.

vibeman27 Mon, 09/07/2009 - 13:29

In reply to by DanaSud

Woody it is. Bird it is.

Couldn't find that listing anywhere though. But I did find some other listings to listen to and Woody's band sounded a lot like that tape. Like you said, it was his most bop-oriented band.

Great find.


BruceW :-)

DanaSud Sun, 09/06/2009 - 22:13

Just got home. It's been a long day of gigging.

Thanks for piping in. Glad you found this to be as burnin as I did. I actually don't have ALL the info for this myself. This is what I got in my email:

[Here is a bootleg tape made in a public park in Kansas City in 1953...

Bird was visiting his mother i KC when Woody Herman was doing a concert,,,he sat in.]

tonymiceli Sun, 09/06/2009 - 23:19

i've listened a couple times. what gets me is parker playing over the bridges! i usually check that out, since navigating through the bridges to rhythm changes is a real challenge.

i pulled off the first bridge tonight and am playing around with it. to me he has a lot of energy in this solo.

Tony Miceli
s k y p e: tjazzvibe
i c h a t: tonymiceli

Drew Johnson Tue, 03/13/2012 - 13:25

yea, undoubtedly bird. I could listen to him playing rhythm changes for the rest of my life.